Lampard’s future ‘is not my decision’

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Farhad Moshiri has caused surprise among Everton fans by claiming that the decision over whether or not to sack Frank Lampard after yet another defeat today is not his to make.

Both the club’s owner and Chairman, Bill Kenwright, were “door-stepped” by a Sky Sports reporter outside the London Stadium this afternoon following the 2-0 defeat to fellow-strugglers West Ham and asked if Lampard’s time was now up.

Kenwright said that “it’s been a bad run of results for us all but, no, I would never say such a thing to you,” perhaps suggesting that there would be better ways of delivering such news.

Meanwhile, Moshiri, who attended an Everton match for the first time since October 2021, said: “I can’t comment [on the question of whether Lampard would now be sacked]. It’s not my decision.”

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That could be an acknowledgement that the power to make a determination on the manager’s future has finally shifted to Director of Football, Kevin Thelwell – which would mark a change from previous managerial selections which appeared to have been made unilaterally by Moshiri himself – or that it would be a collective decision by the Everton Board.

The Blues fell to their eighth defeat in nine games in all competitions with another largely hopeless display in East London, falling two goals behind before half-time.

Lampard made changes at half-time, bringing on two midfield players in attempt to change the game but left summer signing Neal Maupay and young Ellis Simms on the bench.

Lampard helped guide Everton to Premier League safety with a game to spare last season but has overseen just three Premier League wins in 2022-23 that has left the club joint-bottom of the table and in desperate need of a change in results.

Kenwright admitted that it was “a bad time” for Everton and that “we just need to start winning games.” 

 


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 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:44:52

After 65 years of supporting this fabulous club, with fabulous fans…I am just left speechless like you, Lyndon! Unbelievable

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:47:46

It’s because its the fans decision (shithouse)its Usmanov’s decision, always has been!

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:47:56

The man could play Pontius Pilot in a remake of “King of Kings”. Totally unbelievable.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:48:49

Erm. Whaaaaaaaat…

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:49:12

I’m fucking sick of this shit show ! I have absolutely nothing constructive to say.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:49:14

It’s the fans decision, hasn’t anyone been listening?

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:50:50

Whoever is deciding, the decision to keep Lampard is mental. Fans need to be just as angry at this decision as any other that has left the club on its knees.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:51:01

Eh? What? So, after all the stuff ups he does a Pontius Pilate on us? Not my problem? So Kenwright has been in charge all along? Laughable, no wait, disgraceful…

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:51:49

The most disturbing piece I’ve ever read on ToffeeWeb. Frank, please, save yourself, the supporters and the club. Resign. Be a proper Blue and do the right thing.
This is beyond belief.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:52:57

Uh Brendan? Are you reading that like I am?

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:53:33

It’s uncle Alisher’s decision

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:55:06

Frank, please resign, don’t take a non-disclosure agreement, and tell the fans what has been going on – doubt it’s any different than the last few years, but at least it will be in the open; you’ll be a hero, and a man of honour

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:55:56

I’m currently at Stratford International Station waiting to go into London to meet with the family, tail firmly between my legs.

I’m too upset to comment coherently right now so I’ll sleep on it.

How can a leader and owner of an organisation not be responsible for those he hires and fires?

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:56:25

Are the board trying to find even more ways to upset the fan base?
Absolutely bizarre statements to come out with.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:57:06

Bet that’s the stadium gone then

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:57:21

Moshiri clearly laying the blame for all the hiring and all firing of Managers with Kenwright and the Board
Even he can’t get it right
Who signed Frank ? who will sack him ?
Is he saying that Kenwright signed Benitez ????

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:58:08

Now the world can see who’s running the club. What an embarrassment both of them are.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:58:14

Absolutely rudderless.

Rotten to the core. Roll on Arsenal.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:58:45

Why should we be shocked by Moshiri’s cowardly reaction – he and his Boss made money – Millions by taking advantage off a country and its people and not caring about the poverty it caused while they were on their yachts in some phoney “safe haven” – this is only a football Club – built by us – the people – do you think any of them care about the pain and harm they are causing us. They are above care -it doesn’t enter their thinking – money is their God. Take yourself – your stadium – and your money away from my Club you corrupt hard hearted con merchant – Go On Get Out – Your stink is overwhelming – me – I ‘ve watched Everton since 1958 but I will not go near your Stadium – Go Now.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:59:27

BMD will be mothballed till a buyer can be found.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:59:34

Moshiri “not my decision” demonstrates a complete lack of accountability and leadership.

Just like “we expect to lose to the likes of Spurs” (or similar) shows a complete lack of credibility.

He is a moron.

The only surprise is that we are 19th and not rock bottom.

No other club would have this level of fuck-wittery even in the tea room.

Laughing stock to the rest of the football world.

Take BK and Little Miss Dynamite with you and do one.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:59:46

I didn’t think we could become more rudderless than we are now but after these comments we’re plunging to new lows.
Just what the fuck is going on,?

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
17:59:51

It’s the club is bleeding out at the hospital and the doctors are sitting around waiting for someone else to do the surgery while the patient slowly dies

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:00:35

C’mon then Bill sack him. You’ve heard what Moshiri has said. Do something right for once in your tenure. If its not Mosh then it has to be you. Frank like you is clueless but do the right thing. He is a deer that’s just been whacked by a van, put him out of his misery and us too.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:01:13

It’s no longer a matter of incompetence, it’s criminal negligence. And they had the cheek to blame the fans? While technically Moshiri is correct, it is a board decision, he owns the board, what he wants he gets. Just wow..

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:02:36

After that I don’t blame Lampard or Thewell for the mess we are in. Yes, both appear to be useless but when you work for incompetent fools like these two you are between a rock and a hard place.

I want the tax people to do a full investigation into our finances to see who actually owns us. I bet it’s not Moshiri

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:03:36

Incomprehensible and also disgusting at the same time
A real man would just resign after those comments, however, we know money rules the world.
At present who can save us?
I doubt anyone can but I’d like to think Lampard can walk with his head up
Unlike shitehouse Kenwright

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:03:37

Just seen Moshiri’s response to question about Frank Lampard’s future. “Not my decision to make”. was his reply. WHAT!!? Then whose decision is it to make for God’s sake? The guy is so woefully out of his depth and sinking like a stone. I’ve been a Blue since my first visit to Goodison Park in 1963 and he is – in my opinion – undoubtedly our worst ever signing during that time. A complete buffoon. Just when you think the script can’t become any more ridiculous, this guy pops up on screen and takes it all to another level. It would be seriously funny if he were at another football club other than ours.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:03:43

Visionary stuff from Kenwright “ We just need to start winning games”. As I said visionary stuff from the 2nd best paid board in the PL, Kenwright out, this is the most gutless side I’ve seen in a blue shirt in 53 years of being a blue, heartbreaking

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:05:26

Pat I see BMD every day. It is flying up.

I wish I could do one of those link things and show you the picture I took when I went for a paper yesterday.

Too late to mothball

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:06:24

Colin @27, I am not sure that is a good idea at all. It might well be the end of the club; the real end.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:07:41

Darren, its just a pity we couldn’t have filled it in with Kenwright standing in the middle with his Dixie handkerchief wiping his tears.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:07:54

Only shocked that he said it out loud Out of his league is the kindest way one can describe ‘M’.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:09:18

Kenwright regardless if his medical condition is s fucking disgrace to our club

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:09:55

BMD will be mothballed till a buyer can be found.

Pat – hmm, now let me think. Expensive premium football stadium in Liverpool. Wonder who could be on the list of potential buyers.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:10:15

What a c**t Moshiri is, like a rat deserting a sinking ship only he was flanked by a guard of russian thug bodyguards, his statement that the useless Lampards’ future is not his decision is actually an attempt to drop the whole debacle on the fat fraud Kenwrights toes, hopefully the shithouse mute that is Sharp will never be seen at GP again too. We can still survive with Fat Frank gone, back to basics 4-4-2 and attempt to grind out the points we need to survive, lee carsley is a good shout.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:10:44

Tony, if we are being used for nefarious means than i’d like to know. I think Moshiri is as dodgy as fuck.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:11:07

It’s clear to me our esteemed owner is waiting for a major fan protest against the manager before he sacks him. Utterly ridiculous. He is the vast majority shareholder. The board can advise him, but the decision lies with him. He owns the club FFS. Talk about passing the buck and shirking your responsibilities, and in public too.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:12:22

Colin, I don’t discount anything.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:13:02

Suddenly, it all becomes clear! When Moshiri took control of Everton he also started living his life in the style of The Dice Man!

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:13:10

Darren, there’s still a few hundred million to finish it. Moshiri needs investors. Will he get any now we’re heading for relegation.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:13:26

“Not my decision” puts the heat on Kenwright – deliberately? Does Moshiri now think he’s put too much trust in Kenwright? And is now indicating it’s Kenwright’s mess to face up to?

And (relatedly) I wonder why Kenwright was shown to still be in the stands towards the end, when the rest of our “leaders” had left their seats?

They also left in separate cars. Maybe you can’t read too much into that, and all this.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:14:27

Clearly Moshiri is saying – “Bill this is your fault, you wanted Lampard, I didn’t, and I made it clear at the time. Its your problem to sort out”

its a club which cant be run, cant be sold, no one would buy us at £50m let alone £500m to payback Moshiri and another £300m for the ground, and another £150m to get rid of Lampard and team and then satisfy the new manager’s endless list of players he’ll require, as he cant get a tune out of this dross.

I honestly don’t where we go – I can see us being relegated, its a no brainer, I can see Bramley Moor work stopping for years, never ever to restart again. it’ll be drop and drop until we get rid of all the deadwood we’ve got at every level in the club and we start to rebuild – 5 years ?????

I;ve been a blue since 1960 and saw the likes of Young, Vernon, Latchford, Harvey, Ball, Kendall, Reid, Sheedy, Gray, Stevens, and then the mediocrity of the 90;s, 00’s, 10’s but these times we are witnessing are unforgivable. Terrible terrible decisions, wasted £500m on players, managers, but now the Board are showing utter contempt for the fans and we are being dragged through a thoroughly public execution of our club – we are the laughing stock of football and I just cant see a way out.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:16:59

Well well well

That statement just sums up the state of affairs at the club, we’ve no chance, the towel is well and truly thrown in

RIP my beloved Everton FC

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:17:33

Will #36 “hmm, now let me think. Expensive premium football stadium in Liverpool. Wonder who could be on the list of potential buyers.”

And things to come neatly full circle, as we move back to our original home?

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:20:22

Brent

It does seem like they might be turning on each other. Comparable to what happened with similar characters when the jig was almost up and Goring and Himmler started pointing the finger at each other and deselecting blame. We will need to have a Nuremberg type investigation to unravel it all if we are relegated.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:20:56

Pat

The shell is up. The guys down the street are working their arses off, so I can only assume they are still being paid.

I think we may have a world class stadium..but be up to our eyes in debt and playing in the lower leagues.

The stakes couldnt possibly be any higher

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:22:08

Tony Abrahams just sent me the link to Moshiri and Kenwrght being questioned. It really looks like they want the fans to drive Frank to resign. To all the negative characteristics of both of them we can now add cowardice.

Deeply saddening that our club is in the hands of such truly disgusting men. They are beneath contempt.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:22:41

Mr Moshiri, grow a pair of bollocks.

Lampard should be sacked now, it’s way beyond the point of no return.

If it’s down to Kenwright, Isn’t it ironic that the person sacking him should be even more sacked than the one he’s sacking!

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:25:02

I imagine that Moshiri is in town for one reason and that is to have a board meeting to discuss Frank etc and clearly he sees this as a collective decision BUT the most disappointing thing for me is to see and hear neither men say ” we are having a board meeting tonight and tomorrow where we will discuss the direction of this famous club. Neither could say the right thing

Okay Moshiri we get it’s a collective decision but say that. Give us some clarity. Bill, his usual thespian pathetic self. Just say Bill ” we are having a board meeting” it’s not that hard !!!!

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:26:29

To be fair its not the right place to announce your sacking your manager in a carpark to a reporter. Surley you simply don’t comment and leave it to an official club statement.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:27:44

Was prepared to give Lampard the benefit of the doubt till today. He’s a nice bloke but clearly not up to the job. He can’t motivate the players, coach them to stop making basic mistakes. They can’t defend or make half a dozen goal scoring opportunities in a game. How many shots on goal today? The players aren’t world beaters but they’re better than this. He has a huge back room staff so what the hell are they doing?

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:28:16

Would have huge respect if Lampard said “I’m not the man to take the club forward” and resigned. It won’t happen but would be one way we could recruit without payoffs.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:28:50

What more can be expected from a Iranian/ Russian combo. Two of the most despised and corrupt countries in the world. Wish I could wave goodbye to Everton. Sad sad times.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:31:34

Does this all go back to late January 2022, when Moshiri pushed for Vitor Pereira, along with Kia J. However, after all the fan protests and Pereira’s Sky rant, DBB, Ingles and Cahill all pushed for Frank; whilst Bill dreamily voted for DF, and a return to a Bluenose leading the Blues…

Maybe Moshiri has told the board, we’ve appointed the manager you wanted, we have a DoF we all wanted, sort it out, I’m done with being blamed for the managerial merry-go-round.

The fans wanted Martinez out, I got Koeman in, he got us in Europe, but preferred golf to coaching, and the fans wanted him out. To protect my (and Mr. Usmanov’s) investment we hired Fireman Sam, who got the club to 8th, and just missed out on European football, but the fans hated his ‘anti-football’, plus Marco was now available. So, maybe this one was on me, but, I can still blame the fans.

Marco did very well in his first season, apart from the usual annual Everton flip-flop show before the end of the season. Instead of getting the players that Marco wanted and needed for his system, Bill and I got the players we wanted, but made it look like M. Brands decisions.
The result being Marco sacked, and the euphoria of Big Dunc stuffing a Lampard led inept Chelski, and emotionally hugging a ballboy whilst wearing someone called ‘Howard’s watch’? The fans got what they wanted…Another manager!

This time, the one and only, I ‘Fantastico Farhad’ managed to lure Don Carlo to Goodison. Unfortunately, due to me not having been entirely truthful about the state of the club financially, or training facility wise; plus, seeing close-up, just how limited our squad was, he began to have doubts. His quotes “I’m not a magician” and “The team play better without the ball” spring to mind. The final straw for him, despite loving the city, and the walks on Crosby beach, was the armed scallies who burgled his house, whilst his daughter was in…
So, as soon as Real Madrid came calling he was off.

What was I meant to do, I scoured a whole 10 mile radius of Goodison and found this Mr. Benitez in need of work, who had won things ages ago, but he had ‘pedigree’. Hopefully, the fans won’t realise he was a RS legend, and he’ll repeat his magic for us. I’ll even throw him the last £2m in the transfer kitty to strengthen the squad…
Come October, we’re 4th! Hussar!!!
Come January we’re 15th, and the worst team in the league beat us 2-0. Bye-bye Rafa,

And now, see the top…

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:32:13

I think what Moshiri meant was “that’s what I pay that fat fuck Kenwright to do – sack managers”.

What a shit show. Sean Dyche has probably switched his phone off if he’s got any sense.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:32:29

This implosion mirrors the current Tory Government, no leadership, no accountability and no ability to figure out the multiple crises.
The big problem we Everton fans have, we can’t vote the Board out.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:35:29

Hey Brendan it could be that this statement only applies to the Frank situation That wouldn’t necessarily affect our previous differences on whether Monaco Man was primarily on development.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:38:47

This is leadership that we lack from top to bottom.
https://youtu.be/Kd_UtyzkTP8

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:39:28

So many answers he could have given but decided “nothing to do with me, guv” was the best – what marvellous judgement.

How surprising his governance has led to the club being, how can I say this without being too critical, – slightly underwhelming – now we’re back to sell to buy days and shackled to a new stadium drag anchor that will send us to the bottom.

He’s an absolute beaut.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:41:57

Maybe Moshiri is here for a board meeting?

I noticed he was sat next to Kevin ‘the man with a plan’ Thelwell.
Just maybe he asked Kevin, can you work with this board to get in a manager to keep us in the EPL?

If the answer is no, hopefully he is here to call an EGM, and ‘vote out’ Kenwright and DBB?

Please God, please

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:42:48

Brent – as I said earlier, never discount anything. That would be a horror scenario though, the soil there is permanently polluted. We may remain at Goodison.

Darren, it’s all going on for now. If there comes a time of insufficient finance, it would stop. Too much debt, and so would the club – so the stadium project would have to go.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:47:17

Rumour…he’s gone

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:49:55

Massive debts. New stadium cost. Unless we get a buyer we could be a very high profile Bury!

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:49:57

Who – Bill?

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:50:58

Will@36 BMD and the regeneration will motor on once it turns red.

RIP Kings Dock (and the ring fenced money)

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:51:12

Paul, a big buyer is going to be necessary it seems.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:52:12

Joe – horrible thought.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:53:11

Surely the decision was made before today – either way? Whether he goes or not – surely they’ve discussed possible outcomes and have someone in mind should they want to fire him. This is a multi million pound business – a member of the worlds most lucrative football league – the lack of direction is criminal. I think Moshiri has decided to leave all footballing decisions to Kenwright et al – hence his comment. If Martinez or Moyes were available right now, either would be in. Problem is that Kenwright doesn’t have anyone else in his thoughts…so on we go – the blind leading the blind.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:53:52

Will @68 I really fear we are on the brink!

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:56:36

Just my opinion but Let’s have it right, Moshiri was always the front-man for Usmanov to launder more of his dirty billions into the UK through EFC with the intent of building the ground and selling the club on once the ground was built, he has no interest in football or the future of Everton fc beyond that.

Sadly, my socialist principles went right out the fkn window and I thought Chelsea did it so fk where the money’s coming from this is our chance to be great again. The Russian assault on Ukraine and subsequent crackdown on dirty Rusky cash suddenly put an end to our golden goose (despite decades of dodgy dough washing through “The City”)

I never thought I was so mercenary but…anyway as we’ve witnessed instead of getting the administration side of the club in place and then building the team with a plan in mind and a vision and a style, Moshiri allowed the snake oil salesman kenwright to keep steering the Titanic towards the Iceberg.

As we have all witnessed our beloved club has been turned into a dogs dinner by a succession of managers and overpaid over-rated mercenary players.

Of all our dalliances with relegation that I have lost sleep over since my first game in the 70-71 season this is by far the worst as this “shower” of players as badly coached and motivated as they seem to be just have no fight or desire to win and are by far the worst squad in the division.

I don’t know who the next manager should be but we should not surrender our Premiere status yet, take it back to basics, go 4-4-2, grind out points and we CAN still survive, wont be pretty? Could it be any worse than what we have had to endure for the last few years?

It takes a revolution to make a solution.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:57:41

Lampard has to go, he clearly can’t get anything out of the players. Should never have got the job in the first place

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
18:59:13

BMD could well be mothballed.. for sure, LO’R are ruthless in business, they will pull off site as soon as the monthly payments stop arriving, they are not building a Stadium as a charity, they will already have a contingency plan should the cheques stop coming, the site will be wrapped up and secured within 5 days with a big bill heading to the insurers.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:00:13

Coady after the Bournemouth defeat: “Personal pride and standard is what we have to set in training, it is nothing to do with the manager or staff, we don’t have them at the minute. We need to look at ourselves long and hard and are going into a break now.” Surely the manager should lay down the law in training – alarm bells were ringing loud and clear for me.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:00:59

Everton, for Moshiri, is and always has been an investment. Nothing more.

What happens on the field is irrelevant

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:04:53

How often have l heard the comment over the years ‘ Bill is a great Evertonian’. Well we all are, Blue through and through going back over generations unlike most of them across the park. Can’t Bill see his time is done, the fans are telling him this every game in the nicest way possible. Seems he wanted to hold on until Bramley is ready but the stadium is now in jeopardy and relegation looking more likely. Do one Bill.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:05:52

Cannot wait to hear Simon Jordans reaction to that comment!

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:06:00

Paul, there will be many interested eyes on the situation for sure. Hopefully the right eyes.

For now however there is little that can be done save for trying everything possible on the pitch to stay up – so I feel similar.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:11:01

Most of the above posts are the result of the owner and chairman answering questions by reporters thirty minutes after the match. Let’s see if there are any further comments on the Everton managers position some time tonight or tomorrow morning.

It will be amazing and disastrous if Lampard is still manager of Everton FC in the very near future.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:11:23

No comment other than What a shower of you know what Everton has become and the problem is that it won’t change until there is a full change of personnel from Owner(s) /Chairman/Board and last but not least clueless Manager and Staff.

I’ve been a supporter since the late 50’s but what has been said today beats everything that has been said before. I’m though with them until they get their house in order which means a new owner and new management downwards. I didn’t want it to come to this but enough is enough.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:11:56

Enough is enough.

This man is the biggest clown of all.

Bollocks to the stadium, bollocks to anything, we need to save our club now.

Get them out. March on Goodison.

So angry at this statement…..before I was lethargic and bereaved. Now I KNOW where the issue lies.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:11:59

Jeff @74, you need to think in the way investing purchasers think. They want the biggest potential return for the least outlay.

A club with a massive fan base and with a superb location post-Brexit, in a world city, might be rather appealing. If the team is in crisis then the purchase price (even with a substantial contribution to the stadium costs) will be accordingly lower and Mr Moshiri (whose fortune after Usmanov’s erasure now lies away from the UK) will have to take a hit.

Everton FC is a massively attractive asset.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:12:04

This shows from top to bottom Everton fc has been on life support for many years. The club has lived on past glories and expectations we are a big club in the current climate. Moshiri created expectations with no plan. Our system of buying average players with big salaries is not moving forward. As fans we want success quickly due to being starved of it. Managers came and went and our quality players too. That model ends in one outcome.

Relegation is likely now. Something must change and rock bottom may change things. If the owner can’t sack the manager then I’m more concerned supporting this club.

My advice to Frank is for your own dignity and future in management, resign! Go with some respect and give Everton a chance though small of survival.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:13:42

Arsenal must count themselves lucky that the dumb and dumber tag team of Usmanov and Moshiri never got to exert their expertise over the club. Their good luck was our misfortune. A two man wrecking ball of obfuscation and ineptitude. Sadly the clowns aren’t done with us yet.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:17:22

Jeff @74 absolutely correct. My mate actually worked on this project for a while before leaving LOR and going off to manage parts of HS2.
We go down with this wage structure (96% of revenues), we’re absolutely fucked without a massive overhaul of the playing staff and P&L. Then revenues drop, with less tv and marketing money, and that multiple has to shrink again. And further down we go.
So unless the club is aware of this – blatantly they aren’t because these diabolical c**ts couldn’t manage themselves out of a paper bag – we’re in serious danger of being in Kenwright Stadium for the opening season of League One in August 2024.
What a fucking laughing stock. How could anyone as an Evertonian, with a chance to make a difference (being on the board, for example) possibly ever put up with this? We are witnessing before our eyes the complete dismantling of one of English footballs great institutions, piece by piece.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:17:53

Dave#80

The current manager will be gone before we play Arsenal.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:18:33

Tony @83 How a massively attractive asset? I hope you are right@

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:21:20

How can Sharp say the club is in turmoil and not comprehend the irony of what he is saying – he is a director and it his job for the club not to be in turmoil – corrupt the lot of them only interested in saving their own skin – I am incensed with not only this but the fact that he has had an interview with “The Mirror” rather than address the fans via the website – every one of them from top to bottom and comms are out of their depth and incompetent but it’s the fans that suffer

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:21:48

With the suspicious links between Usmanov & Moshiri and dodgy Russian money, it’s only a matter of time Everton are handed a points deduction linked to our very fragile FFP status.

Under the FFP rules this can happen under the Profitability and Sustainability rules.

This is already being written about so no doubt the shithouse FA will jump at the chance to give us (at least) 9 points, that will probably get us relegated anyway.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:23:11

Paul @89, I hoped I’d made the case in my earlier post. With any asset, astute investors do not think like football fans. They are concerned with purchase price and eventual return.

Buy at the bottom and sell at the top. There is much to recommend purchasing Everton at the bottom.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:31:07

Tony’s right. This would be a great time for a savvy, rich individual /consortium to buy Everton. I suspect there’s a few in the wings, waiting for Moshiri to drop his price enough.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:35:55

Paul there have been plenty of people waiting to buy Everton for years and years but one big fat fucking c**t of an egotist called Bill Kenwright stood in their way – why? Because he wanted control.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:38:20

Moshiri is in London for a reason – no doubt.
I take this as a few others have suggested that he is pointing the finger at Kenwright.
Of course Moshiri can make the decision to sack Lampard but he knows exactly what he’s doing with that short reply.
Undoubtedly designed to ramp the pressure up on Kenwright.
Perhaps the penny has dropped with Moshiri and his attitude is ” if I’m going your fucking going too”.
Lampard has overseen eleven defeats in fourteen games !
In my opinion, Lampard should have got his marching orders way back early November.
In the space of four days the mighty Bournemouth beat us by the combined score of 7 – 1 – Lampard should have been sacked right then.
Fucking disgrace, and Lampard is too nice to ever make it as a top flight manager.
Dyche will be in for sure – surely?

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:41:51

Moshiri …. Do us all a favour and sack Widow Twankie at the same time as Frank

Grow a pair for fucks sake, you haven’t become a multi billionaire for being a soft touch

Bring some respect back to this club as currently we are a friggin laughing stock

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:44:48

It must be either money that was easily got or some other fool’s money for Moshiri to be so blazé about his investment in Everton.

It is now obvious he might be an Accountant, but does not have a clue about running a business. Not only that, he can’t identify who can.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:47:59

The state of the squad is horrific. And the summer will really show it.

Look at the state of following, and I am ignoring the shite out on loan like Gomes, Alli, etc.

Player recruitment has been bad traced back to Martinez and Niasse. We’ve spaffed £700m on transfers and probably more on wages, and it looks like they’ve not even been watched before we bought them.

Begavic – out of contract
Pickford – sold, England goalie isn’t going to stick around
Lonergan – out of contract

Coleman – retire
Coady – return loan
Mina – released
Vinagre – return loan
Patterson – sold, potentially decent elsewhere
Godfrey – someone will take him

Left Holgate, Mykolenko, Keane, Tarkowski – two are being shown the door, and the other two have been useless.

Doucoure – release
Davies – release
Onana – sold, will be good elsewhere
Townsend – release
Gordon – sold
Iwobi – sold

Left Gana, Garner, Gray, Mcneil. Gana looks finished, Garner not started, and the other two are championship.

Dcl – sold

Left Maupay, Simms – championship at best.

Job done. Three directors of football, and the tea lady could have done better asking Stevie Wonder

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:48:32

Lol John. Need to get Widow Twanky on a banner for the Arsenal game.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:50:09

Nick @94, you are right but now he’s finished. The obvious rupture between Moshiri and Kenwright is good news for us because Moshiri will take no account of Fat Bill’s finer feelings (sentimental passive-aggression) when he sells the club.

It looks shit at the moment, and it is, but therein lies our hope.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:53:19

What a corrupt spineless shite Moshiri is.

He’s making Peter Johnson look like fuckin’ Tinkerbell right now.

I very much doubt this weapon could even decide what the boardroom breakfast on Monday should be.

Absolute joke of a club.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:54:09

Agreed Nick. The question now is how much of a hold Kenwright has over Moshiri. He’s probably the only buyer who didn’t insist on Kenwright’s departure. Does he care enough now?

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:56:43

As far as I’m concerned we deserve relegation.

I don’t even blame Lampard, he walked into an absolute fuckin’ circus one year ago and ’til this very day the circus rolls on.

The players are a shambles, a fuckin’embarrassment to themselves let alone the club and quite how they pick up the wage they do beggars belief.

The boardroom and the “owner” we have deserve relegation and they will succeed this season where last May they narrowly failed.

The only losers in this as usual will be the fans.

I’m done with them.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
19:58:42

Kenwright is a cockroach.
He would survive a nuclear war.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
20:00:23

People seem to conveniently forget that Bill and Farhad are the best of friends and as such they are in this show together, until the final curtain.

Forget about Moshiri saying something to put Bill in the frame in order to force Bill’s hand because birds of a feather flock together.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
20:07:53

Remember the days when us fans said “If we had a billionaire owner, everything will be great”?

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
20:16:11

Paul, I never wanted it, believe it or not.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
20:19:48

It’s become apparent lately that even Moshiri is not in charge, Usmanov is the current owner using Moshiri as a front. Moshiri is well out of his depth and probably worries about every umbrella passing him each day, even in Monaco!

Tonight’s comment was him saying, “Alisher is in charge, not me. Look elsewhere for the blame game. Kenwright is Alisher’s man, not mine. I am blameless!!!!”

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
20:26:46

Ian 98, Why does the tea lady always get mentioned in such a disparaging way? Always the tea lady… always,
I’m starting a petition on yougov and the Shareholders association,
Sparethetealadyfromanykindofciticism.com
Sign up now !

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
20:30:31

It’s kinder to sack Lampard now. The guy looks shattered by all of this crap.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
20:31:50

Bill looked a bit stressed today!

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
20:44:17

Barry,
You assume or you know ?

“People seem to conveniently forget that Bill and Farhad are the best of friends”

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
20:49:10

Oliver @112
At the time of Moshiri becoming involved with Everton, Bill had constantly said how great their friendship was, I’m taking Bill’s word for it. What I meant by my post, is that it wasn’t purely a business arrangement.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
20:52:35

Jeff, in Monaco it’s the killer parasols that’ll get ya…

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
20:59:43

The club’s new majority shareholder will give the manager the financial clout to buy big and keep his best young talent at Goodison

“Farhad is a very impressive man who is a businessman and a successful one but he also understands football because he’s been involved at Arsenal for a long time and that’s very rare. He knows how to support a manager and how to be involved in a football team. I’ve been impressed by his drive, he wants to have a winning team. He’s been following our results, performances and the reaction of the fans and I think he’s become an Evertonian. He’s fallen in love with the club and what it means.” (Roberto Martinez)

How Billionaire Moshiri can change Everton’s Fortunes

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
21:09:44

Barry – exactly the kind of oily PR you’d expect from Roberto.

Gotta hand it to him, guy can spin it, even in a second language. Where he falls down is in not knowing how obvious it is.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
21:17:46

Barry.
I would take all of this with a pinch of salt, things have changed !

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
21:22:48

Does anybody else think that the reason Moshiri said what he said was that the strategic review recommended that he should no longer be involved in hiring or firing managers after his many past mistakes. Also he may be the owner and majority shareholder but he is not a director and therefore can not attend or vote at board meetings.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
21:31:14

George, as I said on another thread, I expect legally it takes a decision of the Board to sack the manager. Moshiri didn’t want to say otherwise when asked his position on Lampard’s future.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
21:39:07

Some Twitter sites saying he’s now been sacked.

Plenty of bullshit out there though, but the rumours will escalate if true.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
21:42:20

If you where in Moshri shoes.
Spent over 500 million on players.
Brought in a world class manager. Ancelotti.
Building a stadium, second to none, to the envy of the Manu’s and the shite.
I wanted Lampard.
I wanted Koeman.
I wanted Silva.
I wanted Ancelotti. What coup.
He delivered.
So let’s not get sidelined on, sack the board banners.
Silva and Koeman, never had us in this situation. They went, because we wanted Europe yesterday, with all of Usmanov riches.
I still want Lampard out. I believe we have the talent, to get us out of this mess. with a decent coach. Decent? yes.
ie.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
21:45:19

Pat, I’m sure that you are right, but he was involved in interviewing previous managers and hopefully won’t even do that in future.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
21:48:44

I’m afraid he will be very much involved, George. And probably Usmanov too. The Board will rubber stamp Moshiri’s/ Usmanov ‘s decision.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
21:51:20

Unreal comments…all I know is,if this shit show was happening at Palermo F.C our owners would be propping up a motorway now!

Just fuck off Mosh…NOW and the players who left the pitch straight after the final whistle instead of going over to our long suffering fans should be fucking sacked off tonight… there beyond contempt!

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
21:53:15

Colin 121 it wasn’t Moshiri, it was ALL Usmanov, that’s why its a shitshow now, Moshiri is a puppet,Usmanov trusted Kenwright after their Arsenal dalliances in the pre Mosh days,you know , throws a few west end theatre tickets around the directors box,Mosh wants out, bigger mess than what we all thought.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
21:55:12

duplicate post

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
21:55:12

I don’t expect Frank to resign. That does not happen in football. You either play, sit out your contract, get a subsidized loan to another club or take a cash payment to cancel your contract. Moshiri is telling Bill to figure out how to pay off the coaching staff and find another mug to take us down with no money or time to change the team. Maybe Duncan would give it a go because he loves the club so much but he will wait until we are in the Championship and the repercussions of our financial state are clear if he is smart.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
21:57:51

What a spineless steaming turd

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
21:58:02

Just read all the comments and most are thinking Moshiri’s comment “it’s not my decision” are aimed at Kenwright. I’m not so sure… I think he either means : 1. Usmanov makes the calls, or
2. He is sticking with Lampard to spite the fans given his last comments blaming us for the manager decisions

I’ve always suspected Moshiri is just the laundrette for Usmanov because every time I hear Moshiri speak I think to myself there is no way this guy is competent to run a business – he sounds like a complete buffoon.

Kenwright definitely played a blinder here / he wanted to sell the club and make a fortune but was adamant he wanted to have day to day running of the club. This suited Usmanov and Moshiri as Usmanov can stay in the background and Moshiri can’t tie his own shoe laces without asking Jim White for help.

It’s an absolute disaster from top to bottom. No leadership, no direction, no strategy and imminent relegation.
As some have said on here already this won’t just be relegation this will be Everton relegation.., complete and utter destruction. Likely points deduction renting the ground we won’t own and spiralling down the leagues with a lost generation of fans

I feel for my five year old boy who is one of only two Everton fans in the class getting stick every day

I’ll dance a jig the day Kenwright departs oh and final point – so disappointed in Sharp having a go at the fans tonight. I thought better of you as you were one of my boyhood heroes

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
22:04:47

Colin @ 38, ” Tony, if we are being used for nefarious means than i’d like to know. I think Moshiri is as dodgy as fuck.”

Why do you think that maggot Kenwright faffed about so long to find an investor even turning down the Mansours, so he could profit and remain as Chairman ? He had to get the right dodgy dickhead who didn’t care where someone else’s money went ?

It has now become a ‘laughing stock’ for all but us fans, even Oxo are showing interest. I really can’t see us avoiding anything but more defeats if nothing changes. Very sad times.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
22:05:26

My biggest question tonight is,
Is life too short to worry about EFFC?
Im fucking 60 this year and I think yes, life is too short to worry about Everton Fucking Football Club.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
22:08:49

I just read this on somebody’s Twitter account, my god we’ve had a very rough couple of years haven’t we?

In the last 71 Premier League games Everton have won just 17 of them.

This goes back to the end of the Ancelotti reign before he left, then under Benitez and Lampard.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
22:12:11

Geoff at 131. I am 60 this year too and have been thinking exactly the same! Of course, like you I am sure, I will always worry about EFFC and will never stop supporting them, but this new low level of shit housery by the board has pushed me to the very brink.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
22:12:16

The best game of pass the buck that I have seen in a long time. Hello! This is our club, this is our future, this is our history. To do nothing is failure in itself.

The abject failure to recruit recognised goal scorers last summer, has brought about the clubs demise.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
22:12:58

I think the players themselves are playing to get Lampard sacked. Half of them were walking. They obviously don’t like his tactics. Also saw Kenwright sitting by himself after the rest of them had left early, or the went to get the pies.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
22:14:56

Lampard should just resign, he’s clearly given up on the players and they have given up on him.

but he won’t. This, he knows, is most probably his last gig in management, unless he decides to drop down to league 1 or moves abroad where the financial benefits will be much lower.

he’s a multi millionaire, but he also knows this is his last multi-million pay check.

he’ll next be sat in the Sky/Bein/BT studios and living the life as a pundit, and probably making his money in other business ventures.

So he won’t resign. But he should.

If he is still manager tomorrow, this club is an absolute shambles.

We need a new manager bounce in the hope we get some positive results against all logic against Arsenal and that lot over the park.

But we’re screwed. we really are. we need a miracle.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
22:30:24

Just STOP FUCKING MOANING PLEASE

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
22:51:09

I just want to say c**ts

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
22:54:16

Colin#121 Are you for real, you want Lampard out, fair enough, but not to blame Koeman, if Lampard had the money that Koeman spent on average players? Have you a short memory??

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
22:59:13

What else can we do Bobby?

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
23:04:38

I’m a North London Blue and I can’t go to matches because I am in the high risk Covid category. I would have tried for this one back before Covid but I went to Euston out of curiosity at half five.

There were lots of furious young lads talking about the lack of “good times” and one guy who was with his young boy decked out in all the merchandise. It’s freezing and these fans would have had to go from their homes in Merseyside to Lime Street then to Euston and then out to Stratford which ain’t exactly nearby in the capital.

Our fans are pretty amazing. I’ve been to way more away games than home matches and they are brilliant. Stoke, Fulham, Reading, Saints, West Ham, QPR, Arsenal, Watford…they always support the team and out sing the home fans.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
23:07:00

Cowards the lot of them.

Grow some balls and face the fans and be decisive.

Frank knows he is gone he just needs to be told and our gutless owner and his board of frauds need to have a succession plan if they even know what one is.

What happened to the strategic review and DBB looking for another job.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
23:18:47

Just why has it taken so many years for so many of us to realise that we’ve had a self-advancing cancer right at the heart of OUR club for thirty or so years? Accordingly, why can’t everyone see that we’re at last dying as a club as a direct consequence.

Just why is anyone at all surprised that Moshiri is about as plausible as Goebbels was to Arianism when it comes to football club ownership? All of his obscene personal wealth is accrued from kissing the ass of one of the various Putin acolytes who’ve financially raped their very own people to achieve vast wealth – now hugely de-valued in the UK on account of the mercilessly obscene invasion of Ukraine.

Just what is Sharp’s precise job definition? Ditto Ingles, and the corporate bullshitter Lil’ Miss D? Come to that what is Thelwell’s role, and, if our alleged owner won’t explain HIS OWN appointment of these people how the hell can anyone else, Everton fan or not, afford him one iota of credibility as he oversees OUR demise and the loss of his (allegedly) hundreds of £millions?

If anyone still believes BMD is the answer alone to rectify OUR shite-infested hierarchy’s ineptitude I despair.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
23:43:10

Don @ 143, you are right of course, but what can/could we as fans have done ? Admittedly these protests which have been largely instrumental in bringing the seriously infected area to a head, could and should have been made before/after Koeman. But we can all be wise in retrospect and we as Evertonians have been more than patient and always hopeful that better fortunes were just round the corner.

Not to mention the Good Times ?

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
00:00:55

Derek, apart from d’medya still tending to be sympathetic to the lying head-lock threat (and whatever else) to our board members I really hope that the sincere, visible protests at games continue to educate everyone that we have a thoroughly shite owner/board, and have had for decades.

It depresses me to realise that fan protest reduces the cost to our next avaricious owner in acquiring us but I genuinely think the club under Kenwright has long since squandered as a consequence any hope at all of us becoming a trophy winning team within my 68 year (and counting) lifetime.

Unless we’re bought by a venal nation/state of course, or a now financially castrated mega-player in fascistic states such as Russia perhaps.

 Posted
22/01/2023 at
00:06:38

Geoff 131 I’m 75 and I don’t worry about anything over which I have no control. If it happens then it happens, just smile and enjoy what’s left. Don’t cry that its over, smile that it happened.

 Posted
22/01/2023 at
00:13:05

Why change the habits of decades?
Leave things as they are, same owner,same chairman,same board,
same mediogre players
I can’t wait, in a couple of seasons we could all be in the cow shed end
Marmalizing Tranmere Rovers in the derby game

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
00:13:35

Christmas #139.
I wanted koeman in. I also wanted Koeman out. We finished 7th. In which, with all all our wealth, at the time, I. We Evertonions wanted higher. Hindsight now. I would rather have Koeman / Silva, than lampard.

 Posted
21/01/2023 at
00:25:00

Just sack frank!

Since he took over, no improvement at all! Relegation from day one he turned up! Only positive last season was 3 worst teams! The guy uses excuses time and time again! Yes the board get the flack but who actually interviewed frank? Director of football? The owner has a chain of command on manager and players to the director of football it would appear.

Frank won’t walk as he knows this is it as a football manager. Teams have not improved under his guidance. Not one area of our play has improved! We are open to conceeding and going forward is slow and predictable. Frank take the cheque and head back to sky and be an expert on the game. We might have some hope if Frank goes. Are these players this bad?

Next manager, dogs of war mentality! Experienced! Give 100% or get out! No time for snobbery about our next manager! We are not 2 players from champions league qualification! Next manager must bring fans on board behind the players! This is our club’s future and for generations of Everton fans! The board situation we can’t do sod all about as we are hanging from a cliff! New manager equals more hope and energy!

 Posted
22/01/2023 at
00:53:13

They will come to some agreement and Frank will leave by mutual consent.
Moshiri is having another pop at us supporters with that comment for sure and it leaves him neutral so the board can also take the flak. Absolute cowards the lot of them. Just like our midfielders in the first half not wanting to take responsibility and move forward.
Best outcome for us given the FFP is that we balance the books and take relegation on the chin or we are sold. It could get a whole lot worse if the truth comes out about Moshiri and Usmanov.

 Posted
22/01/2023 at
01:26:23

Ian, and very many other just-sack-Frank aficionados, your assessment is only superficially accurate.

Like every manager in the last thirty years Frank’s hands have been tied when it comes to achieving trophies by the total ineptitude of those at the alleged top.

I have no doubt that Lampard was effectively and seriously deceived as to the truth of the club’s finances when he signed on. His very recent comment that, in terms, he’s not a miracle worker is so very reminiscent of Ancelotti towards the end of his departure to go on to restoring Real Madrid’s trophy winning legend.

Our manager under this owner/board is irrelevant.

End of.

We’re doomed.


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